I am joined by founder of Surface Medical Inc. the purveyor of infection control, the Clean Patch maestro himself, Iwan Lam. Join me as we explore the multitudes of options backed by numerous case studies. Learn about a simple yet elegant solution for infection control via a Joint commission approved, FDA registered patching solution.
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https://cleanpatch.ca/resources/case-studies/
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I am joined by founder of Surface Medical Inc. the purveyor of infection control, the Clean Patch maestro himself, Iwan Lam. Join me as we explore the multitudes of options backed by numerous case studies. Learn about a simple yet elegant solution for infection control via a Joint commission approved, FDA registered patching solution.
Where To Buy:
https://cleanpatch.ca/distributors/
Case Studies:
https://cleanpatch.ca/resources/case-studies/
Watch the video podcast on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLisOVWzYA0rq9UrYCz7fU7HNBjXgwc8DG
ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. I am your host, the bearded biomed. And today, I am joined by surface medical. Now if you haven't heard of them, I highly encourage you to go check them out first and foremost, they have a lot of interesting products that would benefit your facility. And we're going to get into that today. So I'd love to get into if you wouldn't mind just letting people know, you know, the journey of surface medical and the clean patch that we'll obviously get into and the floor is yours. Absolutely. Well, thank you for having me on your show today. My name is Ivan lamb. I'm the president and CEO of surface medical. We are a small Canadian Canadian company here that manufactures clean patch. Only product that allows facilities to repair the damaged patient services, treatment tables, postural matches is structured position, there's pretty much many sub servers that are patient come into contact with those are prone to damages. And we eventually see signs that we repair them. So just to note, have everyone have a we came from? We've been around for almost over 10 years now actually, and I'm sorry, is this was over 10 years ago here in Calgary, our city.
Iwan Lam:There's a cow packer who was to Justin 650 that was proposed during this trip and table. And two days later, one of his patients accidentally with his belt buckle good wide open opened during during this trip. So imagine this cabinet is very happy about about it. And it's coming to light, a patient has just spent so much money, but closing the table, it took weeks to book the appointment. And as to do it over again, there's only just so happened this patient that he was complaining to is a healthcare consultant. And when he took the kind of mentioned it to his team, one of his business partner was the emergency nurse for 35 years has said a I see damaged mattresses in hospital all the time, they get ripped, they get hurt, they get tone all the time. And trust me the costly one assistant advisory place. And the problem is if you don't place them, that vertical thing. If you do face them, they're expensive, and no one has managed to do that. So what she end up seeing is a lot of damages in facilities in hospitals where patients are constantly getting treated. So no, so data. So they mentioned this promptly. But this is this is an I look right now the problem is there. We know what's there. And the solutions are very expensive. There's got to be a better way. And when we looked at that, we thought Yeah, absolutely, there should be a better way. Vision doing nothing and spending 1000s of dollars on replacing a single piece of equipment because a small pension. So we decided to figure out what the better way is. And that's how such medical was, was born. When we looked at the problem with notice is like it's like it's like having a one on his skin. What do you do when you get a cap, you put a bandaid on it. So why not create a bandage for patients services is easy to apply this chip is clean. And it just works. So we set up in case something like that, and what is known as clean pack today. And pretty much this is a pure stick with a patch that is designed to repair damages on patients services. So since the damage is first identify the finished service, not apply the patch PUSD there's no wait time there's no cure time, clean it again. And the service is intact and ready to put back in service. We launched clean patch in 2013. And right now we sell to just within countries through a service providers or distributors. And we sell to all verticals like health care, acute care, long term care, ambulatory care, surgical centers, outpatient clinics, professional health that we have in Cairo Of course. As soon as these patients have a service there is something that we try to promote image to
Chace Torres:a lot of information sir, but rightly so. So actually, I'm the one that reached out to you guys initially because I was on LinkedIn as I am almost every day and I saw someone talk about your product. I was like what is this? Because, you know, unfortunately I hadn't heard of you guys until Earlier this year, and what which is, you know, the whole reason for bringing onto the show because I want more people to be aware that this is a viable solution. As biomed as clinicians, as even patients, we've all come across, you know, some kind of medical surface, whether it be an exam table, surgical table, wheelchairs, you know, any kind of maybe physical therapy, high low bed, it doesn't matter, your product covers, you know, a wide range of materials, different sizes, different materials for different needs, and reached out to you, you sent me a demo of just some of the different sizes of different materials. And I would say I was I was pleasantly surprised with just the, the ease of use and the application. Because at the end of the day, you know, if you're going to be doing a patch, it needs to be effective, but also, you know, not be so egregiously difficult to apply and, you know, like you said, with Curie and and other options out there. So, I do appreciate the fact that this is a range of solutions for a lot of different tables. Fast forward to after, you know, we had to do our first call together. And, you know, I took, I took my little, my little demo folder with me with some of the materials. And I had a director of nursing, they had a Stryker table surgical table 3085, they had a quarter size rip on there. You know, people might say, you know, there aren't familiar with the medical world, like, what's, what's the big deal? Well, there's a lot of big deal, especially in a surgical, you know, environment, there's infection control issues, there's, you know, a range of things that have to be mitigated. So I showed her the product, and she was like, I didn't know this was out there. Again, this is something that I would like to change. So we applied the material easy to use, and, you know, there will be some videos coming out as well. So y'all can obviously see my experience with it. I do know, on surface medical, you guys have some instructional videos as well. Also, you know, product, information, that kind of thing. So let's get into the, you know, let's play devil's devil's advocate here, for the people that, you know, might have a an opinion on patching, or, you know, might have an issue before even trying your product out. There's always the issue of well, what's Joint Commission? Or what's the VA gonna say, you know, is this is this regulators is approved, I would love to hear how you guys have gone through that process and done, you know, mitigated research and studies to showcase that your product is viable, and is a solution that people should use?
Iwan Lam:Yeah, absolutely. No, we take this very seriously. When when we first looked at the market, and we asked people in the way you're doing today, besides replacing it, we often found people because they can't afford to replace, they start using tape, wound care dressings, or duct tape, medical tape, Unfortunately, we've done look into it. And we find out where she makes things worse when looking at the time that he's invested in worship and chapter versions. And we're just saying you're sideway. Of course, it's never seen us, you can put a skinless tape on a piece of furniture. So it gives an eight so when the fuse interesting gives a false sense of safety, they thought this damage is covered. Even though it's not covering, it's kind of siphoning, inserting the fluid ingress into the into the service. And when we go and we approach our facilities, there's the kind of associate taping as a negative thing, like you shouldn't put duct tape on your matches, of course. And we have to make sure we know we do our proper research and development and our data and our information to educate the market and say, no impact is not taping. This is just a few different things. And we've spent many years and a lot of resources to measure that is there's a case. For example, in patches, which is really designed to withstand the clinical use, it can be claimed with all common cleaners day in day out for for years and 1000s of cleaning cycles. Anytime we move forward in time, we always get questions on whether the edges are cleanable. And we have no third party data to show that HSS interval as the service of the past as well as other measures. We've gone as far as even doing clinical validation studies, where we independently work of a wealth of organization University Hospital to let them use clean patch in the world people said to show that it does restore the service initial state. And then at the end of all that we'd gone out and we were certainly a bunch of FDA would come together. And we'll see. So we so keep that is the only FDA healthcare registered Hassan medical device to patient services. There's just nothing like that out there. With a lot of data to support that. No women at Martindale for over 10 years, we have a lot of experience of customers with facilities with accreditation organization that the champion mission. And we are able to consistently demonstrate our product when used properly, thus, effectively restore and repair those servers to Intel in papal state. So join a join condition for example, in the beginning, of course, they don't they don't endorse products. So join commission come and say we and those came natural.
Chace Torres:Yeah, they can't they can't endorse anything. Yeah. But
Iwan Lam:we said well, can you at least update your guidelines, because right now, when people look at guidelines, they think if you see damage you'd have to replace. And we're saying no, no technology has advanced over the years, you can not repair them, you don't have to replace them. And in 2018, they actually updated a guidance document on environmental things to say one kind of damages. Number one, of course, too, you can take them. And three, you can repair them with an approved patch. And again, clean purchase only employee versus product out there. So over the years, we have received review by dozens, if not hundreds of infection control department around the world. So it's not organization that the Joint Commission, and we have consistently demonstrate the impact, again, as a custom device is a tool to enhance services. And it's not like taping, we tried very, we try, we work really hard to educate the market as a clean patch response.
Chace Torres:There's a lot of unwrap there. But one thing that stuck out to me especially was that you didn't wait for somebody to say go run these studies, you guys went out and did viable research to justify and kind of be proactive about it, because you knew what you had. And you knew that this is a technological solution that can be backed up by data. When you consider the infection control, which this is very timely considering we're talking about this, we just recently, you know, over the past couple years, we've been dealing with COVID. And here lately, we're looking at monkey pox, which, you know, that's a whole nother animal, this actually stays on surfaces, it can be you know, transferred through that, you know, that's initially what the first scare was with COVID and come to find out was more airborne, this is actually this can be transferred on the these kind of items. So let's just say that, you know, you have a rip in a mattress or whatever, they clean it. And then you put the patch on it, that's you doing your due diligence as the end user as the biomed, to ensure that you are, you know, doing everything you can to mitigate any kind of infection from studying then on that material. And let's, let's be quite frank here. You know, a lot of the materials use, especially, you know, when you go from exam tables, to physical therapy tables, to surgical tables, the price continues to go up sometimes into the 1000s of replacing some of these pads. And not all these facilities have the funds just willy nilly go replacing every little, you know, little nick, hole in scraping cut, that's, you know, not even the size of a dime sometimes. And, to me, that seems a little bit silly to go and replace an entire path for something that's small. As for the studies, and also, you know, just all the data that you guys have accumulated, you know, over the years, is that readily available on the website for people to review? Because I do see that you guys post about, you know, this kind of stuff all the time.
Iwan Lam:Yeah, absolutely. All of our testing data is on our website, like Colby with testing data, chemical resistance, testing data, durability, testing data, it's on the website, and other clinical validation testing were published in peer review journals and and also on our site as well. So everything we have from the instruction for us to auto submit the activity studies is a patient on our website for for people to download, evaluate, and you know, under no talking about cost savings, and I think everyone what is into on traditional, probably no surprise and how expensive things are in healthcare, but quite at the same time sometimes. They also surprised at how expensive some things some items can really get. And no patient services is one of those things when we look at how much on pacer matches costs low and it's just by the standard. Know your striker. Your phone structure matches instantly system for peace. And once you throw into even your surgical gel positioners and hats, those are hundreds of dollars. Now when you go to ICU beds, low loss, mattresses, etc, etc, the covers are normal costume behind, this really is really expensive. So no matter how you size it, you're talking hundreds of dollars. Whereas when you're looking at we and I know the cost of repairing the chip and replacement, I think that's just a very common concept. And this is no exception. To we'd have him patch is somewhere between dependence and shaving material, maybe 10 to $35 damage. So you're talking some filthy path to paying for repair versus replacement. And that's just gonna cost you really think about the logistics of replacing a mattress in the healthcare setting. Someone has to flag it, someone has to put in a work order, someone has to transport them not just out of serve, serve our servers landfill somewhere they can dispose of it by anyone put it back in the administrative cost to place a piece of equipment is also very expensive. And sometimes it's hard to define for one matches. But if you really look at it, what the cost difference and time difference between applying a patch on the spot versus trying to get new service in or getting in is really staggering. And those are the things that people don't recognize this, oh, no, this matches could use a new one. They said, like goes on. But we really think about it is a really, really wasteful and time consuming process. And no, we think just think or activity nobody paying can really have a big impact on any facilities.
Chace Torres:Oh, one thing that uh, you know, when we, when we talked offline and before is both of us really don't really understand, you know, the medical infrastructure when it comes to how much waste there isn't in our system. So the caveat what you're talking about before, all these mattresses that are getting thrown out into the landfills, like I just recently, I had a video, a short little video I posted about plastic bags, you know, for covering disinfected medical equipment to show that it's been cleaned and ready for next use. When the end user puts the bag on it the you know the bomb and has to take the bag off, do calibrations, a new bag goes on to it. Just imagine, take you know the hundreds of pieces of medical equipment in the hospital, multiply that by I'd say at least four per item because of taking it off and on, you know coming in and having to take it off. And that's not including every end user. So multiply that by every hospital in the United States. And imagine how many plastic bags we go through just to show that we clean something. It's it's basically the same kind of concept when you consider you know, torn pads, torn mattresses, you know, this little nick gets taken out. And you just got I've seen pictures there's there's mountains of mattresses and pads and stuff out there. This this is an option that not only is cost effective, but it's eco friendly. And you know if we're really being frank, if we want to reduce medical waste, but also help the environment this is a another, you know, notch that you have you guys have on your belt with your product, which I appreciate.
Iwan Lam:Yeah, absolutely. Unfortunately, patient services like hostile matches is one of those things where right now, there's just no way to repurpose them. Nobody will recycle them. When they have to be disposed, it goes straight to landfill. And they take up so much space. There's a lot of ways even there's a 500 bed hospital, even if you just have to replace 5% of the mattresses. We're always talking mattresses, not other services. There's no There's no 25 mattresses and you close your eyes imagine what 25 mattresses look like in a pile. That is a lot of waste going to landfill. And that's just 5%. When we look at no hospital and we do assessment, the damage rate is sometimes over 20 30%. So the waste we generate is staggering. And it's always opposed in our view. So what we are very passionate about also and then we've been participating in the best way to promote wellness is to say no, before you focus on coming up with new measures. Can you can you say and the beauty of kind of what we offer this impassioned offer is no most damages happen small and to get paid overtime. So if you can catch up 95% of damages can be payable. And every measure to replace is one piece of equipment. And that's something that we were very excited about. I don't think that a lot of inventions out there that can surely They say something like, No, you're really preventing a whole class of material that was in view and neither So, but we are giving, for series, a series of way to repair, replace those services where we know we are making a big impact in terms of sustainability, in terms of promoting circular economy, driving that greenhouse gas emission all this stuff. But we need we need participation, we can offer the solution, but at the end of the day, it comes down to implementation. If people are not actively trying to look for damages and prevent repairing, before it gets too late today, then do anyone any good. So we kind of wish I wouldn't just say no, before you focus a criminal way, because that's what they used to doing anyway. If I knew one, stop and take a look and see if you can,
Chace Torres:a lot of people aren't going to have the insight to know what goes on in some of the hospitals. But you know, I know of a couple where they actually have rooms, where they just have torn mattresses too far gone to stacked up to the ceiling. Now imagine if we had gotten a hold of some of those before it got to that point, I've seen hospitals where they let mattresses get ripped to the point to where they shouldn't be used, and they're still being used. And part of the reason is, you know, the budget to buy new mattresses? So, you know, do we want the solution to be a cost effective equal solution? Or do we want the solution to just, you know, be in a disparity across the medical infrastructure with with cost and, you know, impact on the environment and everything else, because you're either on one side or the other, there's no, there's no in between, for me in this kind of thing is when it comes to medical waste, you either turn a blind eye to it, or you actively, you know, see this as just one of the facets within the, you know, the medical system in America that we kind of need to, obviously, you're in Canada as well. But I would assume this is also occurring across the world as well. I mean, we're not so special America that this is the sole issue, but I'm just speaking just from what I've seen in the multiple hospitals that come across, and this is the same story all the time. Obviously, we're not saying that your patch is the end all solution for some of those cuts and holes and everything that ends up in them that are just too large to manage. So for those listening, those watching, what are what would you say is a good safe point? Or, you know, when do you look at something to say it's too far gone? Like what is your, your size standard? I guess for patching?
Iwan Lam:Yeah, so that two kind of major, I guess. major things that we would recommend people look for when they decide whether mattresses or any service is repairable one is of course the size of the damage. When the damage gets too big and like to bake with something maybe greater than seven inches in length. That enhances structural integrity of the of the of the cover of the surface. And we don't recommend people not hatching, we definitely don't recommend people putting freeform patches back to that overlapping shadow. That's not what the policies are for. We did that impact the structural kind of structure of the measures covered. So number one, the damage cannot be too big. Ideally, in the five inches on the seven inches depend on material. And then the second thing, which I think is the more important thing is to Ingress. If you know look at the damage, you don't enter the damaged area and you see flu, maybe it's blood, maybe it's urine, whatever it is, is too late. Now you shouldn't patch up a mattress as blood of course it does, it does seem obvious, but sometimes when you look at a small needle hole or one inch tear, that that's all it takes for flooding to go inside. So it's not something that is because of damage size or sort of service compromise, you really want to catch it before fluid ingress occurs. And if you have no if you do see fluid ingress has occurred, you should replace it, unfortunately. So so the students will look for so the question is, you know, how should a facility implement them, I guess, damage assessment, how to go for damages. And the good thing is not all this documents are cleaned very routinely several times a day either by nurses or DVS. So every time to sources pain is to make sure it is still intact and still cleanable. So if implemented properly, it's actually relatively easy for facility to catch most of the damages early. Every time does a teenager slow for recording. And then just just repair them on the spot. And if you catch them early, then you prevent them from getting too big. If, and if you catch up before food investment, you can do that. Right. I imagine a lot of those images know, we talked about infection control
Chace Torres:and mitigating that. Plus, you know, you've been doing this for over a decade now. It it's kind of common practice that. I don't want to say common practice. But, you know, there's there's been an influx and out flux of patient care, it's always going to be that way, depending on what new disease and everything we have go on. But sometimes people, you know, have other concerns than checking the integrity of their mattresses and warrants and what have you. Do y'all have? Let's just say, if somebody was questioning on, if this is a viable option to use a clean patch, like could they reach out to y'all send y'all pictures? That kind of thing? I imagined that's the case. But I just wanted to bring clarity to that.
Iwan Lam:Absolutely. We really welcome everyone to reach out to us and ask us questions like, like you said, either one, it says a picture and say, No, we just saw this yesterday. Can you repair it one, two is what product is ideal? Is this suitable for repair, we're happy to provide those support. What we started working with now, just recently in the last seven or eight months, is to work with independent medical equipment, service providers, and independent cleaning service providers. So instead of No, in addition to just having facilities themselves trying to implement no service assessment, and then look for damages and repair, sometimes when you look at small clinics, they don't have the resources, they don't have in house full time biomedical engineers to maintain the equipment. And sometimes just the clinic owners and couple definitions. You should they almost lost it to the equipment minutes to independent company. And now we're working with a lot of them and say, you know, when you go in for provide preventative maintenance services, you can also provide service assessment and repair services as well. So this way, if they can catch it early in house, they want to implement a way to assess repair, they can do that, or if they want to work with some will come in routinely and do the assessment and repair to make sure the equipment's are fully intact, as well, once or twice a year, we will have the option to otherwise, we are building that way so that we can work with no no, I'm obsessed by this theme. And so sweaters metaphor you've given the pesto survivors, distributors, and we also apply checking ourselves. So even though we encourage anyone to is curious about whether or not they could benefit from implementing service repair, definitely reach out to us, we're happy to have drawn out, like I said, over 10 years of experience, to see whether our product is suitable for the services that you have. And what works, what may work for you and what impact it might have for you from a cost saving perspective. For patients they safety perspective.
Chace Torres:Oh, yeah, sounds good. But when I liked that you guys are allowing, you know, different entities to obviously work to assist in our medical, you know, facilities, ISOs ECS, you know, there's different different people are gonna have different perspectives and also have different reach to, you know, the system, obviously mitigating the throwing away of matches when they can be saved by a patch. Let me go ahead and get into a segment I'd love to bring you on. So let me hit the button here. The modality So normally, on the bearded segments that I have, oh, the modality typically is structured for the biomed to give a story or maybe a repairs a circumstance that sticks out in their mind. I'm going to tailor this to your realm. Do you have maybe a particular study or you know, maybe, you know, an in service or some kind of outreach that sticks out to you, story wise that you'd be able to share with the audience? Yeah,
Iwan Lam:absolutely. So there's a hospital here in Calgary, really new hospital when we first started them. I think they were less than five years old, seven or seven, expanding the number of rooms and patients and when we approached them, they said, Oh, no, we're brand new hospital. New equipment. We spend millions of dollars on new mattresses already. They're brand new. We don't have this problem. So no, like no, we're not talking. We're not talking major damages. You don't have mattresses that could have been using for decades. But as I bet you there are more no punches or cuts of hairs that it does render the equipment unhygenic and Let's take a look at want to know to what what was the status of your brand new hospital? So the session come in? No, they let us in, if not for him in the morning that the school football the best before? No, no some of the operating rooms open and the outpatient clinics open. And we've damaged with just over 20% When in fact, we've actually picked damages, we're not taking five each type everywhere, but no one used here or grab a puncher, one in five. So that absolutely shocked. So then we said, well, let let us what else have you paid for one. But also that's probably intimate. So what we did was spend, we spent a couple of days we didn't know we met with no UVs know where Professor yumminess we showed him the product showed and the training, we walk with them to different room and say this is how you assess the damage. This is how you pair it PUSD clean it before after. And then the hospital should be written policy and say if your job is to look for damages when you clean a room. And when you do do it, this is who report to you. So the objective of this guidelines and posters. And just from those two days of training and including those supporting documents, they have been on top of it, not they they just become a standard of use for them. When you're in a room, you will see a rip, just like you see an open bipod you're just locking someone up on it. And for them, this is just the substantive practice and the standard that we think it excites us because we see when a hospital is committed to making changes and new. So this is trying to find out how best operate. We see how they can benefit from it. And we look at how much we saturating in terms of replacing mattresses, versus some of the other hospitals here in town who have been around for 4050 years. And we look at the ratio of ashes replacement in this deck. It works like that Not for as many matches as the way. So so we know so so that experience made us realize now that experience works. If we get buy in from all the stakeholders from the facilities on PP IPMC vs. No FM any purchasing, it doesn't take a lot at the end of the day, it's just looking for holes and put a patch on it. But once you get initial information, processed oil is a beautiful thing. It's just it just becomes a bit of a city and we invest in stores like that expenses like that, that keep us going and say this gives
Chace Torres:kudos to them for obviously swallowing their pride when they also said we didn't have a problem. You know, 20% is a lot. You know, you don't want especially when you don't recognize that you have a problem whatsoever. You know, recognizing there's a problem, and then doing the due diligence and putting the work and the effort into get it resolved. I mean, that's you putting patient care at the front, which it should be that's, I mean, at the end of the day, no matter what sector of the medical field you're in. That's that's the bottom line. That's what it's all about. It's about patient safety, and elevating patient care. If you're not doing that, then you're in the wrong business.
Iwan Lam:Absolutely. And I think when we look at this, it's not just patient, it's the worker that no moving equipment around the after the patient is discharged. You don't want to look at again supposed to this is this is a part of that one. That's another story very quickly is my counter maintenance department in the hospital. They were like this is fantastic. Because right now when they use a piece of equipment in the basement in the maintenance shop, this essential with a good lunch. And right now that you mentioned these two measures that they know is probably not as clean as compromising but they feel slimy or whatever. So for them, I'm like, wow, we have a way to actually we've had this at Wow, and have it no that was in the office Brian the heaviness in the ceiling that we so it's never things like that. That would never be with your business partners.
Chace Torres:It's always a pile of something somewhere in the hospital and people don't realize it could be medical equipment. It could be mattresses, it could be bedpans. I mean, I've seen piles of so many things. I always say there's their hospitals are inherently hoarders one way or another. It may not be in the hospital section, it could be in the office section, but every hospital has a I call it the scratch department that they just kind of throw stuff and you know that's that's kind of where things go to die. It's it's an interesting aspect that I think most people don't realize, but you know, it's good that we got companies out there, you know, doing doing the studies doing the work to try to just like I said, I appreciate you guys not only from giving a solution to save facilities money, but also tackle a eco waste standpoint. And you know, at the end of the day provide a a service that is not costly to the end user, but is just as effective as anything else, if not more. So kudos to you guys. You know, I, I've had a couple of vendors on here on the show before, I've only given out one beard of the seat, beard bearded seal of approval so far. And you guys are gonna get my second one. So as we go forward, and maybe the show gets bigger, you know, people will vie for the bearded seal of approval, but the clean patch surface medical solution in second official bearded seal of approval, so no cooking necessary, and it was simply required. You just get it, you slap it on, you apply, and it's good to go. So before I let you go today, where can people obviously reach out for more information? I know the website and then some of your key distributors that you know people should look into if they're interested in the product.
Iwan Lam:Yeah, absolutely. I thank you. We appreciate that. And I website, WW dark theme patch.ca is a place of work. It's a wealth of information, everything we'd love for last 10 years is on there. So we welcome anyone to go visit it take a look at and reach out to us that way to see how we can support you. Like I mentioned, we do work with different distribution partners in over 10 countries that work with a Napa for network of service providers who can provide a service assessment and repair service. And so and we are also on several GPOs as well we are Vcn and how much as an Catalin helpful and MMC so so this a lot of the a lot of ways to get in touch as a product or service. And what I recommend for anyone with this name who's interested is reach out to us before we tell us where you can buy it, let us tell you know, let us help you support show you what you need. Let us provide the data you need to make sure this is right for the facility, that gives you the supporting data for infection control department to look it over. These are brand new is a relatively new concept they can repair service. So let us support you on that. And then that connect you with the right partner that supports it
Chace Torres:if you're listening or watching description will take you directly to them as well to get eyes on the clean patch and you know obviously the different sizes and solutions they have for the different materials that are out there. Again, I appreciate you being on the show today. It's been a pleasure. I'm glad we got to get you on and get the message out and let people know you know, clean patch surface medical is here. It's not going anywhere. And it's a viable solution for any you know, medical facility today.
Iwan Lam:That is obsession of being on your show.
Chace Torres:It's been a pleasure, sir. May the beard beard by